Last Updated on June 20, 2025
Libertarian comedian Dave Smith faced off against the Director of Jihad Watch, Robert Spencer in a ZeroHedge debate moderated by former Congressman Matt Gaetz. The question: Should the U.S. support Israel in taking out Iran’s leadership?
Smith systematically dismantled the case for regime change, arguing it’s based on fabricated nuclear threats, ignores Israel’s own nuclear arsenal, and risks catastrophic consequences for America. His performance highlighted a growing conservative skepticism toward U.S. interventionism.
Watch the full ZeroHedge debate between Dave Smith and Robert Spencer.
Smith disagreed with the idea that Iran is currently a nuclear threat. He referenced a threat assessment from the U.S. Director of National Intelligence in April 2025, which stated there was no proof of Iran working on nuclear weapons.
He pointed out that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported that although Iran’s uranium enrichment levels are at 60%, it is intended for civilian purposes as a deterrent rather than for making bombs.
Smith also criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for continuously making unfounded predictions since 1992 about Iran being on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons.
“This is a complete and obvious war of aggression by Israel with American assistance and a war of choice. We simply don’t have to look. Benjamin Netanyahu has been telling me since I was seven years old that Iran is one to three years away.” – Dave Smith, ZeroHedge Debate
Exposing Hypocrisy
Smith turned the spotlight on Israel’s nuclear arsenal, estimated at 80–400 warheads, developed secretly outside the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Iran, a treaty member, faces scrutiny for enrichment, while Israel’s stockpile goes unquestioned.
He argued this double standard undermines U.S. credibility. Smith challenged Spencer’s claim that Iran’s rhetoric, like chants of “Death to America,” justifies war, noting U.S. politicians, including John McCain, have made similar threats against Iran.
He dismissed alleged Iranian attacks, like a 2024 plot to kill Trump, as unproven, citing Manhattan federal prosecutors’ charges against Farhad Shaqiri lacking concrete evidence.
Smith refuted Spencer’s list of Iranian aggressions, including 83 attacks on U.S. bases. He argued these were responses to U.S. presence in Iraq, not unprovoked assaults on American soil.
The 1983 Beirut bombing, he noted, targeted U.S. forces in Lebanon, not the homeland. Smith stressed Iran lacks the capability to attack the U.S. directly, calling it a “puny third world country” compared to America’s military might.
Risks of Intervention
Smith warned that regime change in Iran would repeat Iraq’s failures. Iran, three times Iraq’s size with a stronger military, could retaliate against 40,000 U.S. troops in the region.
Moreover, he cited a 2007 Pentagon report stating the U.S. lacks “escalation dominance” in a war with Iran, risking attacks on bases and embassies.
Thus, a strike on Iran’s Fordo facility, as floated by Trump, could escalate into a $2 trillion conflict, killing thousands and further dividing a debt-ridden America.
Furthermore, Smith pegged the odds of a democracy emerging from regime change at 5%, compared to 1% in Iraq, due to Iran’s complex terrain and resilient government.
you got to consider the potential that we’re getting dragged into something catastrophic here that’s going to cost another $2 trillion and get another 500,000 people killed. – Dave Smith, ZeroHedge Debate
Rejecting War Propaganda
This is so naked right in front of all of us. We are choosing to engage in another aggressive war of choice to overthrow another regime in the Middle East. That’s what’s going on right now. And it is absolute madness for anybody to support this. It is just the last thing that the United States of America needs and all of this hyperbole about how we will be finished is absurd. – Dave Smith, ZeroHedge Debate
In his closing statement, Dave Smith reiterated that Iran has never attacked the United States, dismissing claims of an imminent threat as recycled war propaganda.
For instance, he compared the push for regime change to the 2003 Iraq invasion, citing false promises like the “mission accomplished” narrative and fabricated weapons of mass destruction claims.
Moreover, Smith highlighted similar lies in Afghanistan and Ukraine, where assurances of quick victories led to prolonged conflicts and massive casualties.
Thus, he labeled U.S. support for another Middle East war as “absolute madness,” arguing it serves no American interest and risks repeating past failures.
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