Although Elon Musk is the father of her kids, Shivon Zilis claimed she and the “Neuralink” founder do not have a romantic relationship, according to Reuters. Yet, details about their dynamic have still raised eyebrows. In a September piece by Time, author Walter Isaacson shared that Musk invited him over in March. “There are a few important things I would like to talk to you about. Can only be done in person,” Musk said. Isaacson ended up at Zilis’ house, where she and the twins joined them as Musk talked about AI. At one point, Zilis prepared coffee for them. The outlet shared a photo of Musk and Zilis sitting on a couch holding their twins, with their knees lightly touching.

Musk and Zilis’ odd, questionable dynamic is further complicated by the fact that the two have had a professional relationship since at least April 2016, per CNN. Zilis stepped into the role of advisor to the artificial intelligence research company OpenAI, which Musk co-founded. In 2017, she then began working for Neuralink (and formerly Tesla). When word dropped about them having kids, they kept working together at Neuralink, with Musk directing Zilis, per Reuters.

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